What if the reason people don't trust healthcare isn't the science- it's the communication? Rosa Hart sits down with Hamid Ghanadan, behavioral strategist, researcher, and author of Not Buying It, to explore why science and healthcare have a usability problem - and what communicators, clinicians, and companies can do about it.
From the neuroscience of decision-making to the Space Shuttle Challenger to vaccine hesitancy and children's mental health, Hamid and Rosa cover what it really takes to communicate in a way that moves people. Ethically, effectively, and humanly.
⏱ Episode Chapters
00:00 – Introduction & Guest Welcome 00:22 – Hamid's Background: From Bench to Behavioral Strategy 01:27 – Healthcare & Science Have a Usability Problem 02:26 – Market Research, Strategy & the Linus Group 03:00 – Patterns of Top Science Communicators 03:13 – The Role-Play Problem: Titles vs. Humans 04:09 – Priming: Why "I'm Just Looking" Is Never True 04:44 – Why Scientific Jargon Backfires at Conferences 05:22 – Emotions in Decision-Making: It's Biology, Not Strategy 05:29 – The Neuroscience: Logic Alone Cannot Drive Action 06:04 – The Frontal Cortex vs. the Amygdala 06:29 – Communication That Moves People to Act 06:52 – Storytelling: A Technology Co-Evolved With the Human Brain 07:13 – When Storytelling at a Conference Got a Doctor Shut Down 07:39 – Healthy Skepticism as a Clinician's Superpower 08:10 – Lead With Curiosity, Not Data 08:54 – The Right Communication Sequence: Curiosity → Facts 09:35 – Putting Data Too Early Spikes Skepticism 09:58 – Does Scientist-to-Scientist Selling Work? 11:20 – Facts Alone Never Close a Sale 11:46 – Persuasion vs. Manipulation: Drawing the Line 11:56 – How Social Media Algorithms Exploit Decision-Making 12:50 – Ethical Influence: The School Lunch Experiment 13:27 – When Good Communication Is a Public Service 14:14 – Space Shuttle Challenger: A Catastrophic Communication Failure 15:39 – Having the Right Data Is Not Enough 16:00 – Hamid's Personal Story: Not Understanding the Science He Studied 16:42 – Open Access Is Only the First Rung 17:45 – Stop Thinking About How to Teach; Think About How People Learn 18:39 – Start With Their Question, Not Yours 19:19 – Why Asking More Questions Predicts Better Outcomes 20:29 – Hamid's Two Questions for Rosa 21:34 – What Drives Rosa to Keep Podcasting 22:18 – Curiosity, Ideas & Grandparents' Theological Conversations 23:13 – Rosa's Week: Nurse Con at Sea & Family Before the Trip 24:55 – Online Highlight Reels Are Not Real Time 25:52 – Hamid: Posting for Content, Not Attention 26:00 – How Long It Took to Write the Book (A Hard Question to Answer) 26:47 – Building a Book from Years of Small Practiced Moments 27:41 – Selling Health Literacy to the Public 28:04 – Rosa's Book: Speak Up Start Now & the Nurse as Translator 29:10 – When a Patient Hears a Diagnosis: The Voice Fades Out 30:12 – Asking "What's On Your Mind Right Now?" in Clinical Settings 30:53 – A Doctor Who Relearned Storytelling 31:14 – Francis Collins on the NIH's Biggest Regret 32:28 – Transparency in Public Health Messaging 33:29 – The Billion-Dollar Question 33:45 – Mental Health: The Pandemic We Don't Treat Like One 34:35 – Family-Based Therapy & Back-to-Basics for Children 35:18 – Children Separated from Nature 36:01 – Psychedelics, Family Healing & What Comes First 36:26 – Phones Away: The Power of One-on-One Time 37:05 – A Mother's Meditation Changed Her Daughter's Life 37:54 – Not Buying It: The Book 38:22 – Find Hamid: LinkedIn & thelinusgroup.com 38:50 – Closing & Follow Nurse Rosa Speaks
📚 Resources Mentioned
Not Buying It: The Art of Selling to Scientists, Doctors, and Other Professional Skeptics — Hamid Ghanadan
Speak Up Start Now — Rosa Hart
The Linus Group: thelinusgroup.com
Connect with Hamid on LinkedIn
Follow Rosa: @NurseRosaSpeaks
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